DIALOGUE WITH A GIAXT ISO Here we are then, sitting in a quiet room looking out on to a garden, discussing oue of the most important problems in the world, with the man most competent to solve it. ii &KLF The most common accusation of your critics is that you have not defined Pakistan with sufficient precision—that there are maixy details of defen.ce, economics, minorities, etc., which you have left deliberately vague. Do you think that is a just criticism ? JIXXAH It is euither just nor intelligent, particularly if it is made by an Englishman with any knowledge of his own history. When Ireland was separated from Britain, the document embodying the terms of separation was approximately ten lines. Ten, hues of print to settle a dispute of incredible complexity which has poisoned British politics for centuries ! All the details were left to the Future—and the Future is often, an, admirable arbitrator. Well, I've already given the world a good deal more than ten lines to indicate the principles and practice of Pakistan, but it is beyond the power of any man to provide, in advance, a blue-print in which every detail is settled. Besides, Indian history proves that such a blue-print is totally unnecessary. Where was the blue-print when the question of Burmah's separation was decided at the Round Table Conference ? Where was the blue-print when Sind was separated from Bombay ? The answer, of course., is * no where/ It didn't exist. It didn't need to exist. The vital point was that the principle of separation was accepted; the rest followed automatically. SELF How would you describe the 'vital principles * of Pakistan? JINNAH In five words. The Muslims are a Xation. If you grant that, and if you are an honest man, you must grant the principle of Pakistan. You would have to grant it even if the obstacles were a hundred times more formidable than they actually are. Of course, if you do not grant it, then,.. .He shrugged his shoulders _and smiled.. .Then, there is an, end of the matter. SELF When you say the Muslims are a Nation, are you thinking in terms of religion ?